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Skin in the Game: Prophecy

Yesterday, I wrote about the importance of skin in the game when it comes to God’s Kingdom.

There are so many places where this impacts the church, but today, let’s talk about prophecy.

Prophets and prophetic people tend to live in the heavenly realms. We use derogatory terms for that like “they have their head in the clouds” but the reality is prophetic people see things the rest of us don’t, focus on things the rest of us don’t, and that is the gift they bring to the body.

As you can imagine, though, this tendency leads them to have less skin in the game.

Once, I had a prophetic friend who prophesied regularly. Then, after prophesying about a number of things, it became clear that there were several wrong predictions he made. When I talked about the prophesies with my friend, he shrugged, and said “that happens sometimes.” It was here I had to share this concept of skin in the game. Prophetic individuals can’t be spiritual weathermen, predicting the future but knowing that some of the stuff just won’t happen and that’s “part of the deal.”

Instead, mature prophetic ministry is invested in the outcomes of their prophecies. They work to see God’s will come about. They pray. They rebuke. They correct. When it turns out they are wrong, they repent and seek to understand where they missed God’s voice. They are vested in the outcome of their prophecies, whether good or bad.

Much could be written about this and it could become its own separate series. For the sake of time, if you’re a prophetic person, here are some legitimate suggestions about how to have skin in the game when you prophesy:

  • Keep a prophetic journal where you record what the Lord is speaking to you and what you think it means.
  • Develop sound relational accountability with other believers in the body. For more, see my post here.
  • Learn scripture at a deep level. Even learn to have a taste for theology.
  • Be a regular part of a healthy church.
  • Develop deep relational commitment with other gifted people in the body: shepherds, elders, and apostles. These people help translate true “words” into reality.
  • Be open to correction about your prophetic words and understand you only “see in part.”

The most powerful uses of the prophetic I’ve seen are instances where relationaly connected prophets can work within the body of Christ for the good of the body. Prophets who learn to have skin in the game not only have greater impact, but they also grow in their understanding of the Lord.

Photo Credit: Prophet Elijah and scenes from his life [detail]. Painted by Theodore Poulakis, Corfu. 2nd half of 17th cent., Byzantine & Christian Museum, Athens by Dimitris Kamaras

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Roles, Titles, Authority…and the True Gifting of Christ


The last several days I’ve been talking about the role of pastors/shepherds in the New Testament, how our house church network found a way to embrace them, and the real truth about ministry. But what about offices, titles, and roles?

Within the house church movement specifically there is a lot of reluctance to give people any kind of title or role. There are a lot of folks who have either been in ministry and been burnt out or there are people who have been hurt by a leader of a church, normally someone who is given the title of pastor. So there is a TON of reluctance to even talk about people being anything other than believers.

There’s also the role of hierarchy. Paul wrote that we should “with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves,” (Phillipians 2:3). The human, carnal side of us often looks at someone with a title and elevates that person above others. This can happen in the mind of the person with the title and in the mind of the people who know the person.  Jesus reminds us of this reality when he says “Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters,” (Matthew 23:8).

So what do we do with titles like apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher?

First, I believe in the priesthood of all believers.  All believers have direct access to God and do not have to go through another person to have a relationship with Christ.  I also believe that the Bible was written for third world peasants, so a born-again person who can read has the ability to interpret the Bible for him or herself.

But I don’t believe that all believers are gifted similarly. To put it differently, while I believe in the priesthood of all believers, I don’t believe in the apostleship of all believers or the pastorship of all believers*. Paul tells us several times that while we all have one Lord and the same Spirit, He gifts us differently.  In fact, the first century church experienced such a diversity of gifting that Paul was forced to argue for the oneness of God every time he talked about gifts. His point was we have one Lord and so even though there are different giftings, they don’t point to separate gods or separate spirits from God. One God gives diverse giftings.

But Paul had another emphasis in Ephesians four. Paul says in Ephesians 4:7 that “grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.” He then goes on in verse 11 to mention five gifts “apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers.” I personally believe that these five different types of giftings are part of each person in the body of Christ. And so naming that gifting isn’t so much a “giving an office” to a person, as it is describing the role they play in the body of Christ.

So we don’t spend a ton of time appointing apostles, prophets, pastors, or evangelists. We just recognize the gift when we see it in a person. Does a person regularly lead people to Christ? They’re probably an evangelist.  Does a person regularly care deeply for the needs of those in their church? Most likely they’re a pastor. We use the name of the gift to call out the uniqueness of the person, but not to give a person any special sense of authority.

Authority is a sticky wicket in this discussion because it’s real and yet can be so easily abused. We rely heavily in our network on relational authority**, which means you listen to me because you know me, you know my track record, and you know I care about you.  I’ve never had a conversation with someone where I’ve “forced” them to listen to me. I’ve reasoned with people. I’ve pleaded with people. I’ve told them there are YUGE repercussions with Jesus for not listening to some things I’ve said. But at the end of the day, if they don’t want to listen, I can’t do anything to make them. Nor would I want to.

Why do I think people should listen to me? It’s not because I’m the senior pastor or because I started the house church that birthed our house church network. It’s because I’m a believer in Christ and we’re called to submit to one another in the fear of the Lord.  I have to do that with those in my house church. No one, in any church, is at the top of a pyramid somewhere that they don’t have to listen to anyone.  Mutual submission is the mark of Christ’s church.

So we all have access to God. We all are gifted, albeit differently than others. And we can all have authority in relationship with others to the degree that we are known, our track record is consistent, and we operate in love.  And this gives me comfort in calling another brother or sister a prophet/ess or an evangelist, because it doesn’t make them special or higher than all of us. It tells us how Christ uses them.

This has immense implications for everything we do, especially in the realm of elders and servants.  But I’ll write more on that tomorrow.

*I do believe however, that apostles, prophets, evangelists, and pastors and teachers are to equip the body, of which apostles and pastors are a part. While this thought is probably a post for another time, I think it’s important to note that apostles need to learn from evangelists, and prophets need to learn from teachers, etc.

**Look forward to another post soon about the benefits of relational authority.

Pastors, The New Testament, and Our House Church Network


It happened so many times in the early days of our first house church that it got old. People would call me Pastor Travis. And I would say, “It’s just Travis.”

“But you’re the pastor, right?” was the next question I would get asked. Usually, for those who weren’t part of my house church my response would be something like “Long story, but let’s just keep it at Travis.”

Why was that so awkward for me? Lot’s of reasons. Admittedly, being called a pastor at 26 was a strange thing, especially since I didn’t go the traditional route of pastoring “underneath” an older pastor. But in reality, my unease came from a much deeper place.

What The New Testament Says

My studies of the New Testament had already challenged much of what I saw being done in church culture.  Church had gone from being a formal religious ceremony in a holy building to a spiritual family who met wherever and whenever the opportunity presented itself. As I studied the New Testament, my understanding of the pastoral role had begun to change as well.

As I studied the New Testament, a shocking pattern began to emerge. First, the word pastor was only used once in the English New Testament (Ephesians 4:11). In fact, in some translations it’s not used at all (ESV for example does not use the word pastor). The reason why is the word used in Ephesians 4:11 that is often translated as “pastor” literally means “shepherd.” It’s used 17 times throughout the entire New Testament. Eleven of those times, it’s used to describe Jesus’ relationship with the church. The other times (minus the Ephesians 4 reference) are used to describe actual shepherds who cared for and guarded sheep.

What I also found when I dug deeper into the New Testament was that this role was related very, very closely with the role of elder. In fact, when Paul and his apostolic team started churches, instead of appointing a single pastor to watch over the church, he appointed a group of elders. They were a team of people. Their job was to shepherd (note the use of a similar Greek word) the flock of God through their example, not lording over them (in other words not telling them what to do), but they were to be an example of a mature follower of Christ. They also were supposed do it willingly, not for what they could get out of it.

What Christian Culture Does With Pastors

The problem for me wasn’t what I saw in the New Testament. Obviously the role of pastor existed in there somewhere. The problem for me (especially early on) was Christianity’s outright obsession with the role. Everyone I knew in ministry was called a pastor. Every spiritual leader in a church that was paid was called a pastor. This may be true in your context right now.

I had a dear friend, hired by the church for the sole purpose of reaching lost people. He was called a pastor. He was a good man, called by God to equip the body and reach lost people, but he was not a pastor, he was an evangelist that was given the title pastor. Other people I knew in different churches I was part of were given the title of pastor, but they couldn’t live close enough to everyone in their congregation in order to know them. There was no way they could, their congregations were way too large for them to know half of them. And when you talked to them, they were sincere, godly, good men. But their primary role wasn’t the care of the body. It was leadership, strategy, preaching or something else.

And for the body, this can be problematic. I regularly saw people from church backgrounds come to men who were called pastor expecting to get spiritual care and council from them.  And I watched as these “pastors” passed the pastoral tasks on to others in their body. I don’t use “pastors” to indicate any kind of animosity towards these men. They were good guys. They just weren’t pastors. In all likelihood the people the “pastors” referred them to were the real pastors.

I’ve also watched the over-emphasis of this role hinder the multi-membered ministry the church is supposed to demonstrate. Churches seem to focus so much time and attention and energy on a pastor. It’s a natural, human thing. The pastor gives the sermon, he leads the service, he does much of the ministry, especially in smaller congregations. But often this focus causes everyone else to not step forward and serve. In the most dramatic ways, people feel they shouldn’t have to do something “they pay someone else to do.” In lesser ways, people feel less qualified than the person who is the pastor.

Lastly, lets not forget that shepherds are only one of the roles that mature Christians are called in the New Testament.  Apostles are frequently mentioned in the New Testament (there are as many as 25 people identified as apostles in the New Testament). But modern Christianity is largely silent about this role. Prophets and Evangelists face a similar situation. But people with these gifts can and often are unintentionally not given space to minister because they aren’t pastors.

Our House Church Network

So as we planted our first and subsequent house churches, there were no titled pastors. We all met as equals, trying to walk out the priesthood of all believers that we believed the New Testament described. We almost developed an allergic reaction to the mention of the word pastor, mostly because of the bad example I set by how quickly I downplayed my name being used next to it.  We talked a lot about how Jesus was our pastor. That was (and still is) true.

But our aversion to the pastoral gifting ended up hurting us. We ended up throwing out the baby with the bathwater. There is a real pastoral gift that we were minimizing because of our attitude toward the misuse of the word.  And so there were times when we didn’t get people the pastoral help that they needed from people uniquely gifted to help and care for others.

Eventually we needed to change. But we wanted to change in a way that reflected the New Testament and the multi-faceted, multi-membered ministry of the first century church.

We’ll talk about how that played out tomorrow.

Photo Credit: Pastor by sergi_nog